everyone just thought it was normal to share tents, and groups like the VOC and BCMC even had stocks of 4-person tents for trip use by members. Choosing tentmates was just part of organizing trips, and as you can imagine was an important part of the fun and games. Eventually many or most of the bivy sackers realized tents were better unless you were stuck on a cliff somewhere, and switched. But they switched to single tents. What a waste of body heat and socializing. I mean, we go on group trips to socialize, don't we?
游客
假如是零下25度的话,住帐篷本身就有点不智
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归去来兮
my sleeping bag is -12 8)
游园惊梦
[quote]归去来兮
my sleeping bag is -12 8)
Gloria, I think you need to add more carbohydrates to your winter diet. Carbs will fuel your body warmth fairly quickly and then run out sometime between 1 and 4 AM. If you're lucky the protein in your dinner will then kick in to keep you warm. Yes, do keep chocolate or, even better, a carb based energy bar in your sleeping bag. It acts fairly quickly and will let you get a bit more sleep. Just remember to put it into a pocket or something in your bag or else it will be frozen solid when you want it.
Also getting dehydrated makes you more susceptible to the cold. Make sure you drink lots of warm liquids.
My experience with overbags is similar to Jeff's. The overbag (MEC Emp Penguin - grey) trapped moisture in my sleeping system. I'd wake up feeling damp. Fortunately, while the nights (5) were in the -20 range the days were crystal clear and the sun dried everything in the tent daily.
Also on the topic of sleeping bags and to expand on something Dru said. If you are in temperatures way colder than your down bag is rated for any inconsistancy in the placement of the down will create cold spots. Make sure you fluff it up. Make sure the bag is cleaned regularly and the 'down puffing' stuff (forgot the name right now) is used - it realy works well. Watch out for older down bags - once the down gets 'tired' it doesn't work. Can't afford a new one? Buy a liner and rent one.
This past weekend the nights were all -25 and my tent was -15 in the morning. Another person with a MH Trango2 had the same internal tent temperature the first morning. For the last 2 nights 2 people slept in that tent and the morning internal temperature dropped to -8 for them while I was still at -15. A second body in the tent makes a big difference.
I also find that when Ladybug and I zip our bags together it adds about 5 degrees to the range of the bags. Mind you these bags are the same except one is right zip (ladies short) and one is left zip (men's med.) so the internal baffles work properly when zipped together.
When the temperature drops to or below -10 and you are camping don't drink alcohol. You pay for it all night long.
Hot nalgene bottles? Brilliant! However those outrageously priced OR nalgene cozies that hang on the rack accross from the fifth cashier station at MEC are also worth every penny. I bot one last Wednesday for a 4-day backcountry ski camp with some trepidation (I though everyone would laught at my shiney new expensive brand name nalgene cozy!) only to find everyone else had one too (of various vintages mind you)! They keep you drinking water from freezing all day long. Filled with boiling water and tucked between your legs while sitting around chatting before going to bed keeps the major arteries in your legs, and therefore your feet, warm. Reheat the water before going to bed they will help keep you warm all night. If you are all bundled up inside your sleeping bag it takes forever to heat up the insulating air in your thermarest. The hot nalgene takes care of this pretty quickly.
Another fan of booties here. However, regardless of which one you buy, get an insole for them. The fibre kind we used to put in rubber boots works well. 3 Vets has some with heat reflective foil on one side. They make the booties much warmer. While I would have preferred synthetic I bot some of the MEC expedition booties and put an insole in them. My feet were always warm (except when I put my frozen ski boots on each morning ). You don't need the bootie insulation to go much above your ankle but the cover or gaiter part should go to your knee. Helps keep snow out. I meant to check out Taiga for booties but forgot so I'm not sure what they have. No room for an insole? Take a small piece of blue or yellow foam to place on the snow under your feet.
Anyways, after all that, winter camping is a lot of fun and No Bugs! Hope these comments help.
色友
俺只能说佩服两字。非常有价值的信息。不过......
俺是不打算这样尝试的,除非俺有更远大的目标,不得不借助雪地露营的手段去完成它。现阶段,还是以贪图享受为主 :)
ALEXYIM
[quote]色友
俺只能说佩服两字。非常有价值的信息。不过......
俺是不打算这样尝试的,除非俺有更远大的目标,不得不借助雪地露营的手段去完成它。现阶段,还是以贪图享受为主 :)
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