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<活动召集>2008三月份Garibaldi Neve Traverse三到四日雪原冰川雪山

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发表于 2007-10-18 14:40:24 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
我今天和Canada West Mountain School联系过,他们明天会给我一个电话告诉具体的信息,而且他们会尽早给我们先安排一个Evening Information Session(要付一点费用)

Garibaldi Neve是本地非常经典的一条雪季多日的traverse route,从Elfin Lake然后横穿雪原冰川,上Mt.Garibaldi,再横穿封冰的Garibaldi Lake,非常过瘾。

参加者报名以后要坚持体能训练,也要练习backcountry snowshoeing & snow camping........

这次由专业mountain guide带队(有discount),大家会更安全尽兴....

请想参加的朋友尽早报名

已报名:
lulululu
大麦
Alex and Camony
jinsi
Daisy
Flex
swimmer
 楼主| 发表于 2007-10-18 14:42:38 | 显示全部楼层
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ALEXYIM
2008年3月初的目標 --- 橫越Garibaldi Neve (3天或4天)

在網上找到一個很好的短片,有激勵把計劃落實的作用

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke4ul9ElIlg

歡迎加意見討論和研究
 楼主| 发表于 2007-10-18 14:43:45 | 显示全部楼层
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Garibaldi Neve Traverse - Waypoints by Robin Tivy

  (2 days)
Equipment: Light rope
Difficulty: Crevasses usually covered if you are on route.

Abstract: A description of the waypoints.This article describes some of the critical points on the Garibaldi neve traverse. I'm assuming you are familar with the overall route of the famed "Neve Traverse" from other articles. Most of the route can be figured out just by looking at the the map 92 G/15. However there are enough numerous little terrain features on the route that do not show up on the map that it is worth detailing them in a route article, especially if you have poor visibility for part of your traverse.

Disclaimer: This route description is not written to encourage crossing the Garibaldi Neve in a whiteout. Although I have crossed it almost a dozen times over the years, my experience has been that once you get a whiteout, its really easy to run into all sorts of scary features you never even noticed in good weather. So with this in mind, I thought I'd comment on a few critical parts of the route accompanied by GPS references. Don't use this route description as your main source of navigation in a whiteout! Its intended purpose is to draw your attention to a few critical features that are not readily identifiable on the map but which you should LOOK OUT FOR if you do become lost. Note: Like any article, this article could contain mistakes.

The Neve Traverse can be done either from south to north, or north to south. South to north is most common because it is a net elevation drop. However the skiing is better from north to south, since Diamond head descent is preferable to a descent of the Black tusk trail. However the description here is the normal route, from south to north.

My description starts at the Elfin shelter, which is at 4850 feet (1478m). From here, you head north and ski down into the pass between Ring Creek and Mashiter Creek (4150 feet (1265m). Here you ski down from 4850' 1478m(0.75 km, dropping into the pass south of the Gargoyles. From here, the route follows an old road (which won't be visible in winter), crossing two steep gullies:

(See Waypoints "First Gulley, Second Gulley")

From there, you cross the steep eastern slopes of the Gargoyles. This is the one place on the route with some avalanche danger. The avalanche runs are about 30 m across, and often have somewhat worrysome fresh debris on them. The technique is to move across those chutes as quickly as possible, and rest in the patches of trees between. In most conditions, there is little danger you will trigger a slide yourself, the danger comes from above, so don't bother digging pits. A good rule of thumb is to not do the route during or immediately after a heavy snow.

See waypoints "Cross avalanche chutes from Gargoyles"

Once across the last avalanche chute, you quickly come to the top of an impossibly steep looking morraine. This is where you drop into Ring Creek. The temptation is to try and find a more gentle slope by going up the morraine, but there is none. So most parties take off their skis and walk down the slope to the bottom. I've never seen it slide, but it sure looks worrysome. Its about 200 feet.

  See waypoints: Top of Morraine...

Once next to Ring Creek, cross it almost immediately and go up the east bank. Some parties go for a short way up the west bank, but will eventually be forced to the east side by a big exposed oversteepened morraine which has constant mud and small rocks staining the snow from February to May.

  See "E side of Ring Creek"

Next proceed along a steep sidehill below Opal Cone.

  015-191 1555m Off steep sidehill below Opal Cone

From here you climb up onto the toe of the glacier, which from March onwards will be covered fairly uniformly with snow. However just to the left are some nasty cornice drops. This area often has limited visibility, and you must proceed carefully to ensure you don't drop over one of the 50 foot wind cirque or cornices just north of the route. If in limited visibility, head a little out of your way east onto the Bishop Glacier, well away from the disturbances to the left.

  020-202 1713m On big flat, with view of Pitt Valley

Once well on the Bishop Glacier, head northwest to the next point. Don't be too far west, or you'll run up against a prominent big cliff.

  016-211 Big cliff on left of Cirque. Big drop to the left

Beyond this is where you start to climb. The climb itself is a bit tricky because there is a jog in the route, which is so obvious in good conditions it is not worth mentioning. But forgetting it while descending in poor conditions will put you into very steep terrain.

  017-218 1995m Switchback to the left
  014-218 Switchback to the Right. Near top, below The Tent.

You don't want to be any further west of this pont because you will get into the drainage of a big gulley leading down into the very steep slope area. Once it starts levelling out on top of the ridge below the Tent, there are two common variations of the route: the "high route", immediately below the Tent, and the low route. In this article, I describe only the low route.

  015-225 2080m Rocky Ridge goes E. (high point of the low route).
  The next section of the low route involves zig-zagging through huge open crevasses and ice faces. Don't get onto any steep slopes.

  010-230 Below Big Crevasse (my map bag took off down the slope)

While descending, you will soon see the rock face of the Shark's Fin, which is a long rocky ridge above you to the west.

  009-231 2034m Between Shark's fin and crevasse

  003-233 Below Shark's fin

Once below the Shark's fin, the slopes open up and level out, as you get down to the col between the Warren Glacier and the North Pitt. Many parties camp here. After the col, the route crosses this col and then climbs gradually to a flat snow pass with Glacier Pikes on the east and a small rock bump on the west. Once past Glacier Pikes, you drop down onto the Sentinel Glacier. Here there are two common variations: Glacier Chute, and further west, the steeper "Pin Ball Machine", named for rock outcrops which protrude out of the slope in early season when icy, and off which you can bounce, should you slip. In this article, I describe the waypoints of the glacier route.

  008-262 1794m Top of Glacier Chute, below rock Nunatuk
  010-263 1704m Center of gulley, no rock visible in poor visibility
  010-264 1706m Against west rock outcrop
  010-266 1609m Bottom of Glacier Chute
  005-271 1556m Glaciology Hut

Lower entrance to Pin Ball machine is right above hut. There are two huts, located on rocks above the direct route. These huts were never intended as mountaineering huts, and have no outhouse, but have sometimes been used as a refuge on stormy nights.

Once at the hut, the rest of the route is straightforward, and describe elsewhere - across Garibaldi Lake, and down the well marked Black Tusk Trail to the parking lot. A pleasant Park's shelter with windows and 2 picnic tables makes a nice resting point for lunch in poor weather.

Summary of Points: 007-158=1450m Cross First Gulley 007-160=1424m Second Gulley 008-167=1440 m Cross avalanche chutes from Gargoyles 011-172=Top of Morraine 010-172=Bottom of Morraine 1285m 014-182=1376m E side of Ring Creek, steep morraine on W side 015-191=1555m Off steep sidehill below Opal Cone 020-202=1713m On big flat, with view of Pitt Valley 016-211=Big cliff on left of Cirque. Big drop to the left 017-218=1995m Switchback to the left 014-218=Switchback to the Right. Near top, below The Tent. 015-225=2080m Rocky Ridge goes E. (high point of the low route). 010-230=Below Big Crevasse (my map bag took off down the slope) 009-231=2034m Between Shark's fin and crevasse 003-233=Below Shark's fin 008-262=1794m Top of Glacier Chute, below rock Nunatuk 010-263=1704m Center of gulley, no rock visible in poor visibility 010-264=1706m Against west rock outcrop 010-266=1609m Bottom of Glacier Chute 005-271=1556m Glacelogy Hut

49:47.2-122:59=Elfin Lakes (NAD 27 Datum)
49:48.6-122:59=Cross Ring Creek NE of Gargoyles
49:51.2-122:59.3=Camp NE of The Tent (if you were climbing Garibaldi)
49:51:01-123:00:17=Mount Garibaldi
49:51.8-122:59=East of Shark's Fin
49:54-122:59.5=Glacier Study Huts

Waypoints: DD-WGS84   DM-WGS84   DMS-WGS84   UTM-WGS84   UTM-NAD27c   Help
49°47.3' -122°59.3' =Elfin Shelter
49°47.6' -122°59.4' =Ring-Mashiter pass (dip N of Elfin)
49°47.8' -122°59.4' =1450m Cross First Gulley
49°47.9' -122°59.4' =1424m Second Gulley
49°48.3' -122°59.3' =1440 m Cross avalanche chutes from Gargoyles
49°48.6' -122°59.1' =Top of Morraine
49°48.6' -122°59.2' =Bottom of Morraine 1285m
49°49.1' -122°58.8' =1376m E side of Ring Creek, steep morraine on W side
49°49.6' -122°58.7' =1555m Off steep sidehill below Opal Cone
49°50.2' -122°58.3' =1713m On big flat, with view of Pitt Valley
49°50.7' -122°58.7' =Big cliff on left of Cirque. Big drop to the left
49°51.0' -122°58.6' =1995m Switchback to the left
49°51.0' -122°58.8' =Switchback to the Right. Near top, below The Tent.
49°51.4' -122°58.7' =2080m Rocky Ridge goes E. (high point of the low route).
49°51.7' -122°59.2' =Below Big Crevasse (my map bag took off down the slope)
49°51.7' -122°59.2' =2034m Between Shark's fin and crevasse
49°51.8' -122°59.7' =Below Shark's fin
49°53.4' -122°59.3' =1794m Top of Glacier Chute, below rock Nunatuk
49°53.5' -122°59.2' =1704m Center of gulley, no rock visible in poor visibility
49°53.6' -122°59.2' =1609m Bottom of Glacier Chute
49°53.9' -122°59.6' =1556m glaciology Hut
 楼主| 发表于 2007-10-18 14:44:38 | 显示全部楼层
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Garibaldi Neve Traverse...The Ideal Trip!

Subject Mountain: Mount Garibaldi
Region Hierarchy: BC Coast South / Garibaldi Park / Castle Towers
Park: Garibaldi Provincial Park
Value: 39 . Automap . Radius Search
March 23, 2001   (2 days) Calculated Length: 33 km   92 G/14, 92 G/15
Participants: Darin Reidel, Mike Oakley, Chris Wilson, Pete Sove, Justin Bennett
Equipment: Ski touring gear, glacier travel gear, avalanche safety gear.
Difficulty: Steep trails, avalanche potential, crevasse danger, whiteouts on glacier.
Abstract: Start at Diamond Head parking lot, ski to Elfin Lakes, then down into Ring creek, then up and across Glacier and down to Garibaldi lake and out.

After many years of trying to get a group to do this trip it finally happened. The participants met early in the morning and after the car swap hassles we drove up to the Diamond Head parking lot. Surprisingly there were two or three other groups heading up to do the Traverse. We pushed hard to Red Heather and took a 5 minute break there.

We followed the standard marked winter route for most of the journey to Elfin lakes and snow conditions were so good it felt as if it was an effortless trip in. We did take one small detour onto the summer route to check out the avalaches that had come off of Paul ridge. Skiing past the debris makes one remember why they mark the winter route so well!!

Skiing into Elfin lakes we decided to take a good break to prepare ourselves for the push up Ring Creek.

Snow conditions were excellent with a r-block test of RB5 which made us decide to take the shorter but more hazardous lower Ring creek approach. This route takes you under the gargolyles which can pose a signifigant avalanche threat. This will become obvious as you will find yourself crossing at least two major avalanche chutes swept clean of all trees, and you will have to drop down one of these chutes to access the bottom of the valley where the journey is continued. The other option if the conditions are bad is to climb to the col (saddle) between Columnar and the Gargolyes and drop down the opposite side therefore avoiding the avalanche chutes.

Further along you find the last obstacle which is a short 30m dropoff which can be bypassed by going back a bit and staying very close to the creek. Once past this we crossed the creek to avoid being to close to the walls of debris and potential rockfall to the right. Staying to the left of the creek we cruised up to the neve.

Camp with Garibaldi

Cautiously crossing a snow bridge which one of our party had already put a ski pole through leaving a nice hole to look into the crevasse below (as we zipped across rapidly!) Needless to say we had to have a quick powwow about whether to rope up!

The next section was perhaps the only time where we wern't really sure where to go.. Skiing down the Warren glacier was definitely interesting with the clouds hiding some of the crevasses and making it difficult to make out the contour of the land. Chris then decided to rip it up on the slopes and started cutting down the slopes finding a good route for the rest of us to follow. Unless you are a good skier I would advise taking it easy dropping down the Warren as there were open crevasses which were well hidden by the rolls.

Oh sooo long! After half way we had to switch leads going across the lake... it looks so close but never seems to get any closer.

Finally we are finished and start heading down the creek only to have to bush wack our way back up to the trail when the creek bed gets too difficult.


Waypoints: DD-WGS84   DM-WGS84   DMS-WGS84   UTM-WGS84   UTM-NAD27c   Help
49°44.9' -123°03.3' =Diamond Head Parking Lot ~ 950m
49°45.6' -123°02.3' =Red Heather Shelter ~ 1400m
49°46.1' -123°01.0' =Paul Ridge ~ 1600m
49°47.3' -122°59.3' =Elfin Lakes Cabin ~ 1465m
49°47.2' -122°59.0' =Elfin Lakes 1465 m
49°48.6' -122°59.0' =Cross Ring Creek NE of Gargoyles
49°51.2' -122°59.3' =Camp NE of The Tent (if you were climbing Garibaldi)
49°51.0' -123°00.2' =Mount Garibaldi
49°51.8' -122°59.0' =East of Shark's Fin
49°54.0' -122°59.5' =Glacier Study Huts
49°56.6' -123°03.3' =Battleship Islands
49°56.7' -123°03.3' =hut
49°57.0' -123°05.2' =Junction Black Tusk Meadows Trail
49°57.4' -123°07.2' =Rubble Creek parking lot
 楼主| 发表于 2007-10-18 14:45:54 | 显示全部楼层
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Garibaldi Neve Traverse Reading from VOC website:
http://www.ubc-voc.com/wiki/Gari ... ding_Week_Trip_2007


Contents

    * 1 Introduction
    * 2 When/Where/Why/How/Who
    * 3 Snowshoe Route
    * 4 Ski Route
    * 5 Gear
    * 6 Particpants

Introduction

A 3-4 day trip crossing the Garibaldi Neve during Reading Week. Two groups will go from opposite sides, one on skis from the Burton side, and the other on snowshoes from the Elfin side.

When/Where/Why/How/Who

    * When: Feb 17-20 (dates a little flexible).
    * Where: Garibaldi. Skiers from Burton side, snowshoers from Elfin side.
    * Why: It's a good time of year to do it because the lake will be frozen (fingers crossed) and everyone has time off school. Snowshoeing the Neve also seemed slightly novel.
    * How: Currently Christian Veenstra is leading the ski group, while Dan Eagen is leading the snowshoe group. The snowshoe group still requires someone with more experience to come along to assist. Cars are still needed for both groups.
    * Who: You! Experience on your skis or snowshoes is a must. Beacon, shovel, and probe are all required, as is experience using them. You must have seen snow before, and be confident in your fitness level. See Garibaldi_Neve_traverse to get expectations of what is expected of your ability. Bailing on the first and last days are easy, while the middle two are less easy.

The Trip Meeting is Thursday Feb 15th in the clubroom @ 6:00pm

Snowshoe Route

    * Day One: Leave Vancouver early and drive to Diamond head car park. Car swap with other group. 11km to the Elfin Hut. We'll follow the switchbacks to the day shelter, and then follow the yellow wand road to the ridge. Along the ridge and to the Elfin hut we go. Easy day, finish early, eat good food and get ready for Day 2.
    * Day Two: Wake up really early and get moving. Follow the usual route north and then down to Ring Creek. To the Neve via the glacier and then along the Neve past the Sharkfin and to Garibaldi Lake. Here is the option of using the Glaciology huts or trying to cross the lake to get to the Sphinx hut. Sphinx hut is preferable, but the lake is big and the group may be tired. Depending on the group, camping part way to the lake might be required. Bringing tents would be bad, digging snowcaves might be a little better?
    * Day Three: Depending where the group is, cross the lake, down the barrier trail to Taylor Meadows, snowshoe down the trail to the parking lot and cheer in jubilation for having snowshoe traversed the Garibaldi Neve.

Ski Route

    * Day One: Drive up the road as far as possible to the Rubble Creek parking lot. Ski up the road and up the Barrier trail to Garibaldi Lake. Ski across the lake to the Burton Hut.

    * Day Two: A relaxing day of contemplation... If skiing up to the Burton Hut was easy for you, this is your day to go out and get some turns in. If skiing up to the hut was difficult for you, then you can spend the day resting in preparation for skiing across the Neve the next day. If skiing up to the hut was a total epic, then you can contemplate how to get yourself out of this situation without going out onto the Neve.

    * Day Three: Ski across the lake to Sentinel Bay and up the glacier, travel between the Glacier Pikes, past the Sharkfin, up and over onto the Neve. Glide all the way down into Ring Creek. Find your away across the creek and climb and traverse up the avalanche slopes. Continue to the Elfin Lakes Shelter.

    * Day Four: Easy ski out down Paul Ridge, past Red Heather to the Diamond Head parking lot.


Gear

    * You'll need your backcountry kit (skis+skins / snowshoes) and avi kit (shovel, transceiver, probe (optional, but recomended)).
    * You'll also need adequate clothes. This is up to you - but don't bring too much. For beginners, taking too much weight is the primary mode of failure. If you can't wear it all at the same time, you're bringing too much. People who bring 4 pairs of socks will be abandoned on the Neve. No cotton.
    * Sleeping pad / bag - keep in mind we'll be sleeping in huts, so you don't need a huge bag.
    * Eating stuff - you know what you like. Huts have stoves but we'll bring a few of our own as backup.
    * Headlamp, sunglasses, goggles, waterbottle, sunscreen, camera, toothbrush
    * Musical instruments / songbooks

    * Christian will bring crevasse rescue kit for the group, should the highly unlikely occur and someone manage to fall into one. You don't need any technical gear / knowledge of your own.

...........................................

some pics I found online:
http://groups.msn.com/LeslisMountainShots/garibaldineve.msnw
发表于 2007-10-18 16:44:21 | 显示全部楼层
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Alex and Camony
发表于 2007-10-18 18:00:43 | 显示全部楼层
How much is it?  Depending on the cost, I might be interested.  Thanks.
发表于 2007-10-18 18:21:05 | 显示全部楼层
又是一个大计划,真要好好筹划一下。
发表于 2007-10-18 20:22:54 | 显示全部楼层
报名1人。
发表于 2007-10-18 20:49:29 | 显示全部楼层
count me in,please!
发表于 2007-10-18 21:12:05 | 显示全部楼层
Alpine Touring Skiing吗?极大的兴趣 :favor:
发表于 2007-10-18 21:31:50 | 显示全部楼层
虎行北美
Alpine Touring Skiing吗?极大的兴趣 :favor:


這個可考慮.
发表于 2007-10-18 21:46:37 | 显示全部楼层
要是四月就好了.
发表于 2007-10-18 22:15:05 | 显示全部楼层
典型的野人级hiking!向野人及牛人们致敬。
发表于 2007-10-19 06:29:11 | 显示全部楼层
謝謝lulu的資料.

報名一人.  :)
发表于 2007-10-19 06:29:46 | 显示全部楼层
:lol: Please count me in
 楼主| 发表于 2007-10-19 07:34:37 | 显示全部楼层
大部分人会用snowshoes,但我想可以混合编队. 我今天电话里会问可行性和requirement 还有费用(这个比较难定,要根据我们确定下来要去的人数,我会要求给个range).  Information Session上我们能有更详细的信息
发表于 2007-10-19 08:06:30 | 显示全部楼层
lulululu
大部分人会用snowshoes,但我想可以混合编队. 我今天电话里会问可行性和requirement 还有费用(这个比较难定,要根据我们确定下来要去的人数,我会要求给个range).  Information Session上我们能有更详细的信息


混合编队(ski and snowshoes)會變成一快,一慢的現象,減低團體行進所帶來的安全性.  比軟贊成統一行進模式:用snowshoes.

贊成先弄一個Information Session(當然要付款給講師)讓大家了解這次活動對體能,器材等的需求,了解後,訂日子,確認報名,付款,集訓和溝通...最後是起行.  

有須要請吩咐有什麼工作小弟可參與或效勞.
发表于 2007-10-19 09:14:00 | 显示全部楼层
如果是snowshoe,我报名。虽然我很想滑野雪。 :D

很想知道对器材的要求和大致的预算。
发表于 2007-10-21 07:18:49 | 显示全部楼层
算上我一个,新买的雪鞋不能浪费阿,看来又要花费了,不少装备需要换~lulu不知道冰爪(6齿的)需要么,需要的话我这次把我国内的那回去~谢谢了
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