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发表于 2008-6-18 07:51:01 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
30系列里还是30-378weatherby(专用枪)厉害,破坏力大,400码弹着点误差小,但对BC的一般猎物有点大了,打黑熊/一般的鹿能穿两个。
具体买什么枪,大家看看子弹的特性就清楚了。
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 楼主| 发表于 2008-6-18 18:14:56 | 显示全部楼层

30-378 Weatherby特性:Muzzle Energy :4488 ft lbs!!

Weatherby Ammunition, G, N303165BST, 30-378 Weatherby, Nosler Ballistic Tip, 165 GR, 3500 fps, 20 Rd/bx
Stock # [SS69032]    $93.07


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WEATHERBY INC Ammunition
Weatherby 30-378 Weatherby Mag 165 Grain Ballistic Tip/20 Box

Over half a century ago, Roy Weatherby began his career in the firearms industry as a “wildcatter,” developing his revolutionary ideas about rifle cartridge performance and design.

At the time, many of the industry’s “experts” were promoting the idea that optimum performance was a result of pushing big bullets at relatively slow speeds. Roy, however, believed just the opposite. It was his opinion that the faster a bullet traveled, the better—the flatter it would shoot, the less it would drop, the harder it would hit—the better its terminal performance. It was a concept that would spawn many an argument among ballistics experts, gun writers and in many a deer camp. But as people began to hear about and experience Roy’s notion firsthand, those questions, concerns and doubts were quickly laid to rest. Soon, the entire hunting world would know what Roy had always believed—generate enough speed to create hydrostatic shock in the animal and the result will be more one-shot kills.

Today, Weatherby ammunition remains true to the concept Roy developed in the 1940s. At the same time, the ammunition also takes advantage of the latest in controlled expansion bullets which are capable of harnessing the higher velocities to create a cartridge that provides the ultimate in penetration, large wound channels and more one-shot kills.

All Weatherby® Mark V® rifles are guaranteed to shoot a 1 1/2 OR BETTER 3-shot group at 100 yards from a cold barrel when used with premium (non-Weatherby calibers) or Weatherby factory ammunition. Together, the Weatherby system (premium ammunition and Mark V rifle) forms the flattest shooting, hardest hitting, most accurate combination in the industry today.

Weatherby starts with Norma® Precision brass, the finest that money can buy (handloaders also tell us it's the finest for reloading). Then premium grade primers and bullets from the top names in the business-Hornady®, Nosler® and Barnes. The result is that each Weatherby Magnum cartridge is produced with the precision of handloading...with the blistering speed and downrange power to deliver the opportunity for more one-shot kills. In virtually every case, no other commercially-produced ammunition provides the Maximum Point Blank Range of Weatherby. Nothing shoots flatter, hits harder or is more accurate out of the box than a Weatherby.

SPECIFICATIONS:
Mfg Item Num: N303165BST
Category: AMMO CENTERFIRE
Caliber :30-378 Weatherby Mag
Bullet Type :Ballistic Tip
Bullet Weight :165 GR
Muzzle Energy :4488 ft lbs
Muzzle Velocity :3500 fps

Rounds/box :20 Rounds Per Box


30-378weatherby特点突出,是30系列里最厉害的枪型,破坏力大,400码弹者点误差小,适合远程打MOOSE/棕熊等大动物,不适合打小动物,打黑熊/一般的鹿能穿两个。





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10 and more   $88.42 each
  
   




Weight: 2.60
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 楼主| 发表于 2008-6-18 18:22:07 | 显示全部楼层

最牛的308 Winchester子弹

Federal Premium Vital Shok Ammunition P308G, 308 Winchester, Nosler Partition, 180 GR, 2740 fps, 20 Rd/bx
Stock # [SS67266]    $46.06


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FEDERAL CARTRIDGE CO Premium Vital Shok Centerfire Rifle Cartridges
Federal 308 Winchester 180 Grain Nosler Partition

Federal Premium high energy ammo is available in the world's finest big game bullets, from the unrivaled Speer Trophy Bonded Bear Claw and Nosler's latest offerings to Sierra and Barnes. Match that with world class brass, select powders and legendary primers and you get unmatched premium performance.

SPECIFICATIONS:
Mfg Item Num: P308G
Category: AMMO CENTERFIRE
Caliber :308 Winchester
Bullet Type :Nosler Partition
Bullet Weight :180 GR
Muzzle Energy :3000 ft lbs
Muzzle Velocity :2740 fps
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Rounds/box :20 Rounds Per Box, 10 Boxes Per Case

308枪比较轻小,打黑熊/黑尾鹿/狼/美洲狮/等最合适,但不适合打MOOSE及棕熊

Prices per Quantity  
  
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10 and more   $43.76 each
  
   




Weight: 1.36
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 楼主| 发表于 2008-6-18 18:40:07 | 显示全部楼层

30-06 Springfield火力也很强

Federal Premium Vital Shok Ammunition P3006R, 30-06 Springfield, Nosler Partition, 180 GR, 2880 fps, 20 Rd/bx
Stock # [SS67268]    $47.80


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FEDERAL CARTRIDGE CO Premium Vital Shok Centerfire Rifle Cartridges
Federal 30-06 Springfield 180 Grain Nosler Partition

Federal Premium high energy ammo is available in the world's finest big game bullets.

The Nosler Partition favored the world over for its superior penetration and bone-crushing stopping power, the Nosler Partition® bullet provides the ultimate in accuracy, controlled expansion and weight retention in any caliber, on any game, and in any situation. Nosler Partition® is truly the standard of excellence and value in big game hunting bullets.

Fully tapered jacket ruptures instantly at the thin jacket mouth, yet the gradual thickening along the bullet's axis controls expansion and curls the jacket uniformly outward at high or low velocities.
Nosler's special lead alloy dual-core construction provides superior mushrooming characteristics at virtually all impact velocities.
Nosler's integral partition supports the expanded mushroom and retains the rear lead alloy core.
Special crimp locks in the rear core section add strength to resist deformation under the pressure of heavy magnums.
Enclosed rear core retains more than half the original bullet weight for deep penetration.
Minimum Impact Velocity: 1800 fps
Maximum Impact Velocity: Unlimited

SPECIFICATIONS:
Mfg Item Num: P3006R
Category: AMMO CENTERFIRE
Caliber :30-06 Springfield
Bullet Type :Nosler Partition
Bullet Weight :180 GR
Muzzle Energy :3315 ft lbs
Muzzle Velocity :2880 fps

Rounds/box :20 Rounds Per Box, 10 Boxes Per Case

3006BC省主力猎枪,打黑熊/黑尾鹿/狼/美洲狮/ELK/小MOOSE等最合适,是打大MOOSE及棕熊的最低枪型


Prices per Quantity  
  
Up to 9 $47.80 each
10 and more   $45.41 each
  
   




Weight: 1.44
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 楼主| 发表于 2008-6-18 18:48:09 | 显示全部楼层

300 Winchester Mag火力强大

Remington Centerfire Rifle Cartridges R300W1, 300 Winchester Mag, Core-Lokt Pointed Soft Point, 150 GR, 3290 fps, 20 Rd/bx
Stock # [SS66207]    $23.04


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REMINGTON ARMS CO AMMO Centerfire Rifle Ammunition
Remington 300 Winchester Mag 150 Grain Core-Lokt Pointed Soft Point

For varmint or big game hunting, target shooting, training exercises or any other high volume shooting situation Remington centerfire rifle ammunition offers value without any compromise in quality or performance. Remington rifle ammunition offers the choice many types of bullets and many different rifle calibers. Select from hollow point for varmints, Core-Lokt or bronze point bullets for big game.

SPECIFICATIONS:
Mfg Item Num: R300W1
Category: AMMO CENTERFIRE
Caliber :300 Winchester Mag
Bullet Type :Core-Lokt Pointed Soft Point
Bullet Weight :150 GR
Muzzle Energy :3605 ft lbs
Muzzle Velocity :3290 fps

Rounds/box :20 Rounds Per Box, 10 Boxes Per Case


标准300猎枪,火力大,适合打大动物如MOOSE/ELK/棕熊等,

体积大一点的鹿/黑熊也可以打,但对小鹿/一般的黑熊火力稍大,

用小克数子弹向下接驳3006可以解决这一问题,


Prices per Quantity  
  
Up to 9 $23.04 each
10 and more   $21.89 each
  
   




Weight: 1.56
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 楼主| 发表于 2008-6-18 19:02:07 | 显示全部楼层
那位还能找到3006火力再强一点的子弹?

包括两方面:
A.破坏力大的子弹是什么?
           B.400码误差最小的子弹是什么?
 楼主| 发表于 2008-6-18 23:32:23 | 显示全部楼层
Remington Premier Scirocco Bonded Rifle Ammunition PR300UM3, 300 Remington Ultra Mag, Swift Scirocco Bonded, 180 GR, 3250 fps, 20 Rd/bx
Stock # [SS56139]    $56.12


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REMINGTON ARMS CO AMMO Premier Centerfire Rifle Ammunition
Remington 300 Remington Ultra Mag 180 Grain Premier Swift Scirocco Bonded

Premier® Scirocco™ Bonded

A break-through line of big game ammunition that combines many of the best performance features developed over the last half-century.
The remarkable Swift™ Scirocco Bonded bullet which combines polymer tip ballistics with weight retention is unquestionably the most advanced polymer tipped bullet ever to sit atop a factory load. Of course, our precision loading process — using the finest available components — ensures that it’s delivered with quality unmatched by any other brand.

The Scirocco has the unique combined design features making the new Premier Scirocco line some of the most versatile and reliable big-game ammunition offered today.
The expansion-generating polymer tip and the boat tail base combine to defy air resistance at the front end, and reduce drag at the back.
The progressively thickening, heavy-based, pure copper jacket is bonded to the lead core to preserve bullet integrity and retain over 75% of its weight at all velocities.
Finally, the bullet’s precise concentricity and secant ogive nose profile produce accuracy you would be proud of in match competition.

SPECIFICATIONS:
Mfg Item Num: PR300UM3
Category: AMMO CENTERFIRE
Caliber :300 Remington Ultra Mag
Bullet Type :Swift Scirocco Bonded
Bullet Weight :180 GR
Muzzle Energy :4221 ft lbs
Muzzle Velocity :3250 fps

Rounds/box :20 Rounds Per Box, 10 Boxes Per Case

加强型300,适合打棕熊/MOOSE




Prices per Quantity  
  
Up to 9 $56.12 each
10 and more   $53.31 each
  
   




Weight: 1.60
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 楼主| 发表于 2008-6-18 23:40:54 | 显示全部楼层
Federal Premium Vital Shok Ammunition P338A3, 338 Winchester Mag, Nosler AccuBond, 180 GR, 3120 fps, 20 Rd/bx
Stock # [SS36245]    $53.02


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FEDERAL CARTRIDGE CO Premium Centerfire Rifle Cartridges
Federal 338 Winchester Magnum 180 Grain Nosler AccuBond

Vitlal-Shok is available in the world's finest big game bullets, from the unrivaled Speer Trophy Bonded Bear Claw and Nosler's latest offerings to Sierra and Barnes. Match that with world class brass, select powders and legendary primers and you get unmatched premium performance.

SPECIFICATIONS:
Mfg Item Num: P338A3
Category: AMMO CENTERFIRE
Caliber :338 Winchester Mag
Bullet Type :Nosler AccuBond
Bullet Weight :180 GR
Muzzle Energy :3890 ft lbs
Muzzle Velocity :3120 fps

Rounds/box :20 Round Per Box, 10 Boxes Per Case

适合打棕熊/MOOSE,指标还不如30-375WEATHERBY,特点不突出




Prices per Quantity  
  
Up to 9 $53.02 each
10 and more   $50.37 each
  
   




Weight: 3.00
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 楼主| 发表于 2008-6-19 08:06:37 | 显示全部楼层

.300WM and the .338WM. 的不同:

.300WM and the .338WM. 的不同:转载
The following is from factory ammo for the .300WM and the .338WM. If you look at the ballistics tables for both, you will notice that most 250-grain bullets for the .338WM (from factory ammo), drop about 2" more at 400 yards than the 200-grain bullets for the .300WM. I can't see where a 2" difference at 400 yards is an issue. A 200-grain PHP at 2,950 fps from the .338 drops to -20.8" at 400 yards when sighted +1.6" at 100 yards, which duplicates the trajectories of the .300WM with 200-grain bullets. There are not too many factory loads with 200-grain bullets for the .338, but there are a great number of loads for the .300 with 200-grain bullets.

Look at the factory ammo trajectories with 200-grain bullets for the .300WM, and you will notice that at 400 yards the flattest one is the Federal 200-grain NOS HE (2,930 fps). Sighted +1.6" at 100 yards, this bullet drops to -20.1" at 400 yards.

Look at the trajectory of the Federal 250-grain NOS HE for the .338 (2,800 fps), and you will notice that a 250-grain NOS bullet at 2,800 fps drops to -22.5" at 400 yards. This bullet is much heavier than a 200-grain bullet from the .300WM, but even so it strikes within 2" from it at 400 yards.

Again. the difference between the .338WM and the .300WM is that one can use heavier bullets with the .338, and lighter bullets with the .300WM. Also, you can approach the ballistics of a .338 with your .300 as long as you use the heavier bullets for it. However, one can shoot lighter bullets with a .338WM and it will shoot as flat as a .300WM. But one can also use bullets from 230 to 300-grain bullets with the .338, and overlap the low to medium ballistics range of the .375 H&H. The .375 H&H will offer a greater punch when bullets from 300 and up are used, and that's an advantage the .375 has over the .338.

Summary: The real advantage of the .338WM over the .300WM is that one can go down to the .300WM level, and up to the midrange ballistics of the .375 H&H. Other than that, both are great cartridges, and whichever you can shoot best should be your favorite.

An yes, you can make a .375H&H shoot like a .338 by using bullets from below 300 grains down to 235 grains. The .375 H&H is another great cartridge.
 楼主| 发表于 2008-6-19 08:20:51 | 显示全部楼层
Federal Premium Vital Shok Ammunition P300WT1, 300 Winchester Mag, Trophy Bonded Bear Claw, 200 GR, 2700 fps, 20 Rd/bx
Stock # [SS67113]    $55.67


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FEDERAL CARTRIDGE CO Premium Centerfire Rifle Cartridges
Federal Premium 300 Winchester Mag 200 Grain Trophy Bonded Bear Claw

Premium high energy are for hunting in wide open terrain and for larger game that requires additional stopping power. Not for use in semi-automatics.

SPECIFICATIONS:
Mfg Item Num: P300WT1
Category: AMMO CENTERFIRE
Caliber :300 Winchester Mag
Bullet Type :Trophy Bonded Bear Claw
Bullet Weight :200 GR
Muzzle Energy :3235 ft lbs
Muzzle Velocity :2700 fps

Rounds/box :20 Rounds Per Box, 10 Boxes Per Case


300WINMAG 用这种子弹效果类似3006,可以打中型动物




Prices per Quantity  
  
Up to 9 $55.67 each
10 and more   $52.89 each
  
   




Weight: 1.77
 楼主| 发表于 2008-6-19 16:51:19 | 显示全部楼层

50 BMG 661 Grain

这种子弹打灰熊如何?

50 BMG 661 Grain :

Muzzle Velocity: 2750 fps
Muzzle Energy: 11,098 ft lbs



1英寸=2.54厘米
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发表于 2008-6-20 22:20:54 | 显示全部楼层
大家都说不3006是BC通用猎枪,但我觉得好象300WSM是否更适合在BC?请教JERRY!
 楼主| 发表于 2008-6-21 06:31:46 | 显示全部楼层
stanley_lo41
大家都说不3006是BC通用猎枪,但我觉得好象300WSM是否更适合在BC?请教JERRY!

谈不上请教,大家一起聊,
用3006还是300这要看你经常打什么,经常打大动物最好买300,
3006与300的主要区别在打棕熊和大MOOSE,西人猎人主要猎物是黑白尾鹿和中小MOOSE,3006就足够了,如果用3006打在陆地棕熊,则要求较高,要在保障安全的距离内,必须非常精准地一枪把棕熊打倒。
而300火力强大,打黑白尾鹿和黑熊有点大,3006合适,308也足够了,后坐力小,打得又准,非常舒服,我80%的时间在用308。

如果能买两杆枪最好,我本人一定是308和Weatherby Accumark 30-378 WB, Accubrake(Muzzle Energy :4488 ft lbs Muzzle Velocity :3500 fps )


个人观点,请大家多多指教
发表于 2008-6-21 06:46:36 | 显示全部楼层
Jerry
[quote]stanley_lo41
大家都说不3006是BC通用猎枪,但我觉得好象300WSM是否更适合在BC?请教JERRY!

谈不上请教,大家一起聊,
用3006还是300这要看你经常打什么,经常打大动物最好买300,
3006与300的主要区别在打棕熊和大MOOSE,西人猎人主要猎物是黑白尾鹿和中小MOOSE,3006就足够了,如果用3006打在陆地棕熊,则要求较高,要在保障安全的距离内,必须非常精准地一枪把棕熊打倒,否则会有危险,新猎人不要冒这个风险。
而300火力强大,打黑白尾鹿和黑熊有点大,308就足够了,后坐力小,打得又准,非常舒服,我主要用308。

如果能买两杆枪最好,我本人一定是308和WEATHERBY300(超强型300)[/quote]


谢谢JERRY.300WSM子弹通常大猎物用好子弹,黑熊之类的,因为它皮肤柔软,我把它归类为中型猎物,因此我所用子弹弹头重量稍轻,而且选择弹头较软.以弥补子弹偏大的威力而给猎物带来不必要大面积的创伤,但300WSM理论上这么组合的话,应该是几乎大小通吃的猎枪.
 楼主| 发表于 2008-6-21 07:09:29 | 显示全部楼层
有道理,非常聪明的组合!

只是一种枪用两种子弹在打距离300码以上的猎物时,会有两种校正标准。

两百码以内则区别不大。
发表于 2008-6-21 10:22:05 | 显示全部楼层
Jerry
有道理,非常聪明的组合!

只是一种枪用两种子弹在打距离300码以上的猎物时,会有两种校正标准。

两百码以内则区别不大。


JERRY你说的及是弹头重量不同300码左右落差就有很大不同.口径308我进林区心中欠缺安全感.带300口径枪,我心理会踏实些.还有打到猎物它们挣扎很少,我心里也稍感踏实,不那么残忍.枪不调好,子弹用不对路打猎,太残忍,而且也对自己安全不负责.


                                                谢谢交流很愉快!
发表于 2008-6-21 20:34:20 | 显示全部楼层

照片

Jerry ,这么有空,可以上几张上次猎熊的照片吗?
发表于 2008-6-22 15:32:05 | 显示全部楼层

8mm

jerry,198 gr  的8 mm 毛瑟弹,打moose 和棕熊够用吗?
 楼主| 发表于 2008-6-22 20:30:56 | 显示全部楼层

Re: 8mm

hunterchen
jerry,198 gr  的8 mm 毛瑟弹,打moose 和棕熊够用吗?


只查到196克的8 mm 毛瑟弹子弹的数据:还没有达到3006的标准,看来打棕熊和MOOSE不行

Norma Centerfire Rifle Ammunition 18004, 8 MM X 57 MM, Oryx, 196 GR, 2526 fps, 20 Rd/bx
Stock # [SS18287]    $36.38


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BHSS/NORMA AMMUNITION Centerfire Rifle Ammunition
Norma 8MM X 57MM 196 Grain Orynx 20/Box

Oryx is designed with a core bonded to the jacket. The bullet still expands rapidly, but the bonding prevents a separation of the jacket from the core. Swift bullet, its deep penetration and very high weight retention, are due to the unique adjustment of the jacket thickness and of the intermediate wall separating the two lead cores. Barnes solid, the solid construction of this bullet ensures that it penetrates stable, straight and very deep.

SPECIFICATIONS:
Mfg Item Num: 18004
Category: AMMO CENTERFIRE
Caliber :8 MM X 57 MM
Bullet Type :Oryx
Bullet Weight :196 GR
Muzzle Energy :2778 ft lbs
Muzzle Velocity :2526 fps
Rounds/box :20 Rounds Per Box




Prices per Quantity  
  
Up to 9 $36.38 each
10 and more   $34.56 each
 楼主| 发表于 2008-6-23 07:31:08 | 显示全部楼层

Re: 照片

moneyin
Jerry ,这么有空,可以上几张上次猎熊的照片吗?


放在北京了,有机会再传吧
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