2011年6月中旬秘鲁Huayhuash Circuit徒步

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TimK
登山界著名的Joe Simpson的《Touching the Void》的故事就发生在这里

大概半年前看了这个电影，有点儿惊心动魄的感觉！

swimmer

很感兴趣。

TimK

这是收到的Andes Expeditions的回复。比Trekking Peru要便宜得多，每人USD$660 + USD$50的公园门票费用。跟他确认了是2人一个帐篷，正在确认包车事宜和refund policy。Dave's Travel Corner认为Andes Expeditions的老板Roberto人很好，推荐。

thanks for the contact, I look forward to working with you, for that we
have 20 years of service in the adventure tourism, the service we provide
is 100% guaranteed, seriously.
Regarding curriculum, I am to be able to serve with the date of your program.
The price we have on the trek are:
Price per person $ 60.00 per day

INCLUDE. full meal during the trek, mountain Official guide, cook and
kitchen helper, donkeys and carriers, emergency horse, roundtrip private
transport, vipersonales tents, dining tents, kitchen, bathroom, mats, lime
transfer the day their arrival, first aid kit.
Not included: Entrance to the park reserve huayhuash, sleeping bag.
I await your response, any questions please question with confidence, to
assist you.


下面是Roberto答复的关于每餐的食品的menu：

- The food wing, we have two menus dirent
1-vegetarian menu where people  vegetarians.
2 - normal menu for non-vegetarians.

BREAKFAST.
bread, toast, bread keke, jam, butter, scrambled eggs with ham, cheese,
Ceriale, fruit juice, granola, tea, caffe, chocolate, milk, coca tea etc.

LUNCH.

Rice salads, pasta, chicken,  tuna, potatoes, amburguesas, fruits, fresh
breads, chocolates, dried fruits, hot coca tea, etc.

. DINNERS.

Soups, Gremos, espaquetis, rice, chicken, vegetables, meats, desserts,
eggs, caffe, tea, mate coca.

These are some references to the menu, but before leaving for the trek we
showed the Daily menus that they can choose to your tastes.
We use daily fresh meals.
For   could say which country they are?

TimK

这是Trekking Peru公司的答复，7－8人每人USD$890。正在跟他们确认guide是否说英语。


PROGRAM
       
Nº OF PARTICIPANTS

HUAYHUASH TREK  

11 Days
       

5 - 6
       
7 – 8

US$950.00
               

US$890.00

Suplement for single tent : US$55.00


Prices include :

·       Guide

·       cook (auxiliar for groups bigger than 6 PAX)

·       donkey driver (s)

·       donkeys

·       horse (in case of emergency)

·       private transportation Huaraz/Llamac/Huaraz

·       complete measl during the Trekking program

·       colective camping equipmente

·       bi-personal tents

·       cooking, dinning and toilet tent

·       all cooking and dinning equipment



Prices do not include :

·       Hotel and meals in Huaraz

·       personal camping equipment (sleeping bag, matress,  ropa apropiada de trekking, botiquín personal, etc.)

·       Pago por derecho de usos de campamentos en el circuito Huayhuash, aprox.

     US$50.00 por persona.

·       Tips

If you need hotel services, we can recommend San Sebastian Hotel, www.sansebastianhuaraz.com

TimK

这是Enrique Expedition Tours公司的回复。Enrique Expedition Tours现在看来是我们能得到的最好的deal了，如果我们能够拿到它的early reservation价格的话（正在跟他们confirm怎样才算early reservation）。注意他们的报价中包含了2天在Huaraz的住宿。

下面是详细的信息：

* Price of Program                                        $    980. = USD per Person
* Price of Program with an Early Reservation          $    850. = USD per Person
* Price of Program with an Early Reservation          $ 1.450. = USD per 02 Persons
* Price of Program with an Early Reservation          $ 2.650. = USD per 04 Persons
* Price of Program with an Early Reservation          $ 3.650. = USD per 06 Persons

The Expedition Price Includes:
- When you arrive to Huaraz we pick up you to the hotel by taxi.
- 02 nights lodging in Huaraz (double bed, breakfast included)
- Private local transportation Huaraz / Llamac/ Huaraz.
- Mountain guide Trekking.
- Cook, specialized in cooking normal and vegetarian meals
- Donkeys to carry the common gear (tents, food and fuel) as well as donkeys to carry personal gear (up to 20 kg per person).
- More than 4 person’s one horse for emergency case.
- Kitchen gear and cooking facilities at base camp (including dining tent, chairs, cooking tent).
- Food for the whole duration of the climb (breakfast, lunch and dinner) is included.
- The meals include: omelets, sups, fresh fruits, ahuacate, spaghettis meats, rice all them rich in carbohydrates, excellent to recover all the energy you lose during the trek and climbing, also include drinks as: tea, coffee, milk breads, popcorn and coco tea good for altitude sickness
- Camping gear: 4 season tent
- First aid kit
Not included:
- Bus transportation Lima – Huaraz. (Service VIP).
- Food costs outside the climb (Lima and Huaraz).
- Entry to National Park Huayhuash ($ 50. = USD).
- Flight from country of origin to Lima
- Extra days of lodging due to delays of the trip
- Personal clothes and lagguage during the trekking (goretex-trousers, jacket, gloves, cap)
- Sleeping-bag (-14C).

另外从这个公司的报价中得知从Lima到Huaraz有飞机，祥情如下：

*There are also flights Lima-Huaraz-Lima
The airline is “LC BUSRE - HUARAZ “
Everyday flights are:
- Lima - Huaraz: Departure 8.15 AM - Arrival 9: 05 AM
- Huaraz - Lima: Departure 9:35 AM - Arrival 10:25 AM
- All passengers must be at the airport an hour before the flight.
- LUGGAGE: All passengers are allowed 15kg of luggage (10kg checked, 5kg carry-on). There is a fee of $1.00 for every kg in excess of the allotted weight (not including tax)
AIRFARE:
- The cost of the flight is $144.00 USD per person
If you would like to use the services of “LC BUSRE - HUARAZ “, please let us know.

TimK

Christensen.eric
请教各位，我在温哥华，需要请几天假？

初来乍到有点搞不清楚长周末等等假期的规律 :(

问好了去跟老板谈  :!:

7月1号是加拿大的国庆节。2011年的7月1号是个星期5，所以那天不用请假。我在邀请贴里列出了14天，没有包括从你所在城市travel的飞机上的时间。如果是直达的话，单程一天的时间肯定够用；多数转机的航班也可以在一天之内到达。所以我估计你加两天在路上就好了（当然你要查查机票确认）。
16天的时间，去掉两个周末和7月1号，最好的情况请11天假就够了。

TimK

windy
[quote]TimK
登山界著名的Joe Simpson的《Touching the Void》的故事就发生在这里

大概半年前看了这个电影，有点儿惊心动魄的感觉！[/quote]

这个电影是根据同名的一本书拍摄的，强烈推荐读读原书。原书里的那些细腻的心理描写在电影里面是无法完全表现出来的。比如Simon发现Joe的腿受伤后两人的心理活动，两人都知道问题很严峻，但两人都回避谈论眼下的问题，谁都不敢提让Simon自己下山而把Joe扔下。没有经过任何商量，最后两人默默地分工，我们看到了电影中Simon把Joe belay下山，直到到了那个悬崖Simon被迫割断了绳子。

Joe Simpson非常会写书，他后来出版的另一个基于真实登山事故的书《Beckoning Silence》也很扣人心弦。故事发生在欧洲的Eiger峰，主人公跟他的遭遇类似，绳子的接头卡在了belay的设备中了。故事的结尾很凄惨，主人公在历经挣扎后，喊出了最后一声“I can't go on any more”，力竭而死。

《Beckoning Silence》可以在这里观看：

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmjJBu0xiwc

TimK

收到Jack的回信（一个摄影师，2010年刚去过Huayhuash Circuit），他是在Huaraz订的trekkig 公司，他花了$40/天。这比我们得到的最低报价要低30%，看来Dave告诉我的是对的：网上和在Huaraz得到的报价要差20%-30%左右。

我希望我们可以提前订好，但觉得我们还可以跟报价最低的两家公司谈谈价格。现在我需要确认一下参加的人数，好跟他们讲讲价。

另：有兴趣参加的能否吧email地址pm到我的站内帐号以方便我们讨论（不是所有的人都上这个论坛）？

TimK

Enrique Expedition Tours的回信，clarify我的一些问题。看来他自己又降了一点价格（Enrique的英语不是很好：））：

Enrique salutes to him and he cheers its mail to us, is I write the E_mail present in order to respond its questions.

1. In the attached document, the prices are quoted with an option of "early reservation". How early do I need to do the reservation to be counted as an early reservation? For example, if I make the reservation on April, 2011, does it count as an early reservation?

We informed to him that our company considers reservation anticipates when You realise a reservation lacked 5 months to us before it dates of arrival from You to Peru.

This Anticipated reservation allows You to maintain the prices that we reach to him in the program.

If You would realise an anticipated reservation the price to us she increases in a 30% more of the total price.

But our company as they have many desire to serve You to them to consider reservation anticipated needing 4 months before the arrival from You to Peru.

2. Does the guide speak English? Or does he/she speaks a little bit of English?

In the service of trekking to the Huayhuash Mountain range, the guide who accompanied this trek to them perfect English speech reason why will not have problem to communicate.

3. We have probably 7-8 people, if we want to ahead book the program, how do we proceed? Do we need to pay some deposit?

If You wish to do the reservation now to us we informed to him that this reservation is realised with 40% of the total price and the balance to be pleased to its arrival of You to Huaraz.

Price by Person who we will leave him will be $ 600.= USD with anticipated reserve and if You are 8 people the total price he is $ 4800.= USD

40% of the total price ($1920.= USD) Sera deposited in the following Banking account

xxx-xxxxxxx

After we report its deposit of reservation we will be sending to him to voucher of reservation contract where we will inform the money to him entered for the reservation into trekking Huayhuash mountain range.

TimK

我的问题和Endes Expeditions的回复：

- We have guides that softened different languages especially English.
includes guide service in English.
- For the transport Llamac Huaraz Huaraz is private service.
- For the reserve. accept only 10% of the total cost to buy bus tickets on
the day his arrival in Peru, lima Huaraz, that this month is way too
tourists.
- If in case you have health problems or other cases it will return the
entire deposit of the reserve, are the business rules

We could book the entire month of January in order to make their
programming. For this
Want your complete of all.
Thanks I await your response.
DIAZ ROBERTO GARAY
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>
> Can I still clarify a few things:
>
> 1. Does the guide speak English? Or does he/she speaks a little bit of
> English, but mostly Spanish?
>
> 2. Do the private transportation cover the Huaraz - Llamac - Huaraz?
>
> 3. We have probably 7-8 people, if we want to ahead book the program, how
> do
> we proceed? Do we need to pay some deposit?
>
> 4. If we pay the deposit and for some reason some people canceled the trip
> (say get sick before leaving Canada), do we get the refund?

TimK

Trekking Peru答复同样的问题：

Here, the required information :



1) We have a guide specialized in the Huayhuash area but he speaks a little bit of English.

     also we have English speaking guides who work in all the Cordillera Blanca range and

     the Huayhuash are too.



2) To book the program you have to pay the 50% of the total amount 60 days before the

      arrival of the group in Huaraz.



3) If some people cancel the trip 30 days before the arrival, we can return the deposit with

    a discount of the 10% of his/her deposit, if the cancelation is done 15 days prior

    to the arrival we will return the 70% and if it is done 5 days before, there would not

    be any refund.

TimK

经调查，大家都可以在6月18号那个星期出发。我们可以做如下安排：

June 18 (Sat): 飞Lima
June 19 (Sun): 乘公汽从Lima到Huaraz （海拔3200米）
June 20 (Mon)： Huaraz休息一天适应高海拔
June 21 (Tues)： 从Huaraz乘车到Llamac （海拔3300米），露营
June 22 (Wed)： 徒步开始，从Llamac到Quartelhuain （海拔4200米），6小时左右徒步时间
June 23 (Thurs)：Quartelhuain-Punta Cacanan pass (4700m) - lake Laguna Mitucocha (4220m)，6小时左右徒步时间
June 24 (Fri): Lake Laguna Mitucocha - Paso de Carhuac pass (4650m) - lake Laguna Carhuacocha (4150m)，6小时左右徒步时间
June 25 (Sat) ：Laguna Carhuacocha - Carnicero pass (4600m) - Lake Laguna Carnicero （4300）， 5-6小时左右徒步时间
June 26 (Sun): Lake Laguna Carnicero - Portachuelo de Huayhuash pass (4750m) - lake Laguna Viconga （4480米），6.5小时左右徒步时间，此处可以洗温泉
June 27 (Mon): lake Laguna Viconga - Punta Cuyoc (5000m) - Quebrada Huanacpatay valley （4300m），6小时左右徒步时间
June 28 (Tues)： Quebrada Huanacpatay valley - Huatiac (4350m)，7小时左右徒步时间
June 29 (Wed)： Huatiac - Punta Tapush pass （4750m） - Punta Yaucha pass (4800m) - Lake Laguna Jahuacocha (4150m)， 8小时左右徒步时间
June 30 (Thurs)： Lake Laguna Jahuacocha修整一天+
July 1 (Fri) ： Lake Laguna Jahuacocha - Pampa Llamac pass (4300m) - Llamac，然后乘车回到Huaraz
July 2 (Sat)： Huaraz乘车到Lima
July 3 (Sun): 从Lima乘飞机返回

【说明】
1、出发的时候大家也可以考虑星期天晚上的飞机，这样可以早一点到Huaraz，多一些时间进行高海拔适应。如果自己的假期很多，甚至可以考虑星期五早晨出发，提前一天到Huaraz，在高海拔的适应无论如何强调都不过分。

2、回来的时间可以考虑7月4号的机票，留出一天的余地，万一在路上有什么事情也可以赶上自己的飞机。即使没有什么事情，多出一天也可以游览Lima，吃海鲜大餐。

TimK

Camony，Daisy请检查你们的电邮，谢谢。

小C

TimK
Camony，Daisy请检查你们的电邮，谢谢。

:r:  Thank you!

TimK

现在总结一下各个公司的情况：

Peruvian Andes Adventures: 11天的trekking报价$968/人（基于8个人的团队的报价），如果要说英语的向导全队另加$110。

Trekking Peru：11天的trekking报价$890/人（基于8个人的团队的报价），另加$50/人的公园票，相当于$940/人。预订需提前两个月，交50%的定金。如提前30天以上取消，退还90%的定金，如提前15天取消，退还70%的定金，如提前5天取消，不退定金。

Andes Expeditions: 11天的trekking报价$660/人，另加$50/人的公园票，相当于$710/人。没有提最小的团队要求。预订交10%的定金。取消退还所以定金。

Enrique Expeditions Tours: 11天的trekking报价$600/人（基于6人的报价），另加$50/人的公园票，相当于$650/人。Enrique的报价包括Huaraz两晚的住宿和早饭。要拿到这个价格需要提前4个月预订，预订需缴纳%40的定金。

服务上醋EnriqueExpeditions Tours包括了Huaraz两晚的住宿外，所有的公司都差不多，都包括向导、厨师、驴子、赶驴的人、双人帐篷、trail的食物已经Huaraz到trail head的接送等。

关于向导，我从Dave那里得到的消息是基本会说一点英语，但不是很好的那种。Peruvian Andes Adventures的英语向导要加钱，Trekking Peru说他们的向导会一点英语。Andes Expeditions和Enrique Expeditions Tours说他们的向导会说perfect的英语，不可信。

我们现在知道到Huaraz去现场订的话最低可以拿到Jack去年拿到的价格11天$440。我们人数比较多，如果现场订需要估计至少提前两天到达Huaraz以便trekking公司有足够的准备时间。我们大多数人假期有限，所以我倾向于提前预订，让给他们一些利润空间。我们现在知道最低的价格了，相信我们应该可以有一些讲价的空间。

现在明确表示要去的队员有：

Daisy
Camony （2人，申请下来假期就去）
Vivian
Jin
Eric （2人）
Liu
Tim
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共9人

另有：

Gloria
华英雄
swimmer
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共3人

没跟我确认。


我想一旦Camony的假期申请结果出来了我就跟Andes Expeditions和Enrique Expeditions去谈价格，然后交定金。

TimK

Lima和Huaraz之间的汽车客运公司：

Cruz del Sur  www.cruzdelsur.com.pe ——这是秘鲁的一家豪华汽车客运公司。车上很干净，有卫生间、food和电视，网上的评价很好。Lima和Huaraz之间有夜班车，车上可以把椅子平躺下来睡觉。

Movil Tours www.moviltours.com.pe ——这也是一家豪华客运公司，网上评价也不错。

以上两家都接受信用卡订票服务。

Cial —— 便宜的汽车客运公司。

Lima和Huaraz直接的航空公司：

http://www.lcbusre.com.pe

据说不是很准点，网上多数推荐汽车，因为Lima到Huaraz沿途的景色非常漂亮。

小C

:yes:  Alex與我確定可以參加。
如有工作要我們分擔, 請隨便吩咐。

思慕微微

NND,注册了四次，才把数学题算对。 :twisted:

我是Vivian, 这样吧天波， 先试着跟报价最低的2家还价， 如果最后离理想报价还有一段距离，我可以提前2天去Lima,给大家找向导公司。 有些向导见了面就知道好不好，这次是住帐篷，吃住都靠他们，可信赖的向导有时候比价钱还重要。

如果有人想跟我一起提早2天去更好，这样我也不会太冒险了，听说那儿贼特多。

TimK

没有问题，我给他们发了信。这几家公司我都还信得过，因为别的网友用过，他们的年龄也在20+年以上，做得不好我想也该垮了。我估计即使去了你当面也是见不到向导的，谈的时候应该是跟公司的老板谈。